UnaRocks: new YoureOnlyMassive video

Monday, January 07, 2008

new YoureOnlyMassive video

filmed @ the Boom Boom Room by Bren Talbot

The Massive on MySpace

57 comments:

cw said...: They sound like The Waitresses crossed with some kids singing a song when The Den would visit a school in the bog about 15 years ago.

The one on the right is not bad looking though.; 12:25 PM
meg said...: I appreciate the Waitresses comparison. But I am damned with your faint praise. I fear "Not bad Looking" will have to be on my gravestone. And that would be crap.
meg(the one on the right); 3:19 PM
cw said...: So it's fair enough comparison?

And I can only go with "not bad looking" because the video isn't exactly high definition. I wouldn't like to say something I'd later regret, hopefully you can sympathise with me on that.

Would you prefer to have "Better looking than the one on the left" as an epitaph? It would work especially well if you were buried side by side I think, but it might be unfair on the one on the left and might cause disharmony within your popular beat combo.; 4:31 PM
meg said...: It most certainly is unfair on the one on the left. She is, as they say, hot stuff.

But I can sympathise with your caution.
I have no idea if it's a valid comparison...I have very litle concept of musical genre or anything like that.
All I know is their song Christmas Wrapping has some of my favourite bored-sounding vocals ever.; 5:01 PM
cw said...: I reckon you're secretly pleased with the back-handed compliment but are defending your colleague in the way that all females do, and moreso with their friends.
Nothing wrong with that.

I'm not saying she's bad looking though, in that video she looks a little bit like the mother in Shameless, but in better shape.

As for "some of my favourite bored-sounding vocals ever", what other ones are there?; 5:10 PM
UnaRocks said...: Conor, stop being a cunt.

"As for "some of my favourite bored-sounding vocals ever", what other ones are there?" - entire Talking Heads back catalogue?; 5:30 PM
cw said...: Yeah, good one.

And come on, I wasn't being a cunt!

I thought I was having some fun with nice-looking girl from the video.

I'm showing an interest.; 5:38 PM
UnaRocks said...: ok, you're not a cunt. I love you really :); 5:45 PM
meg said...: Was thinking more along the lines of Kim Deal.; 11:25 AM
cw said...: Kim, deal thyself.; 12:28 PM
Maebh Cheasty said...: If I was Lily Allen I´d be posting a myspace blog with pictures of myself sticking pins in Megan´s pretty little face, looking at face rearranging surgery online and crying bitter tears.
Luckily I´m not Lily Allen and I don´t have the money for plastic surgery so I´ll just hold my head high and say nothing,
except for thinking hmmm I thought the mother abandoned the Gallagher kids in Shamless. Unless of course, you mean Mimi Maguire.
Maebh (the one on the left); 2:26 PM
UnaRocks said...: Isn't it strange (well, not strange really, completely inevitable, rather) that female members of bands always are open to physical scrutiny on the same level as musical scrutiny?

Like, no one ever said "jaysus, that drummer from Travis could do with some hair plugs" or whatever.; 2:31 PM
cw said...: I say things like that all the time.

And to be fair, I started with the musical comparison and left the "not bad looking" as an afterthought. Which, let us remind ourselves, is very far removed from being critical.

Also, the mother (Monica?) has been back in the bosom of the Gallaghers for some time now, with her lesbian former lover living in an old caravan thing in the back garden. I suppose the abandonment is now less than absolute as she's living back at home but she has no more positive interaction with her children than when she was away.

It's not as good as it used to be but I still like it.; 2:42 PM
Maebh Cheasty said...: yeah well i guess that´s the mean ol sexist world we live in...what´s a girl to do? I mean I´ve never been accused of using my looks to get ahead, which makes me feel validated as an artist and writer...but as a woman...oh the pain! The pain!
Ah Monica eh, I haven´t seen it in quite a while, I don´t remember how she looks and I´m not going to let myself google it.
m.; 2:53 PM
cw said...: Yeah, but now I see your Blogger pic and not's even remotely like her.

It's now a probability that you pay somebody who looks like her to do your gigs for you and be the one on the left.; 3:04 PM
Maebh Cheasty said...: whatchu talking about you lily livered yellow bellied son of a calf?
remotely like who?
who pays who?
I AM SO CONFUSED.
maebh.; 3:25 PM
cw said...: I thought it was all pretty clear.; 3:39 PM
Tara said...: Thats 3.53sec ill never get back.. God that was B.A.D..Real fuckin' bad; 10:39 PM
Anonymous said...: "Isn't it strange (well, not strange really, completely inevitable, rather) that female members of bands always are open to physical scrutiny on the same level as musical scrutiny?"

What are you, Julie Burchill now, even after your misogynist Daily Mail style articles about "generation knickerless"? lol; 4:15 PM
UnaRocks said...: Misogynist? I don't think writing about the sexualisation of young women is misogynist. Are you sure you know the meaning of the word?; 5:00 PM
UnaDoesn'tReallyRockAtAll said...: While we're talking about definitions, what are you meaning to say when you mention 'the sexualisation of young girls'? Be specific, don't just throw around chliches -- i'm not sure i understand your concern... particularly as a HEDONistic (I know what my istics mean!) rock n roll sex n drugger, n'est ce pas?; 4:16 AM
Anonymous said...: it is the way you do it. stick to the "sies disease" and leave actual ideas to others.; 9:05 PM
UnaRocks said...: Anon: "it is the way you do it." Ooh, good comeback. What's your point?

unadoesn'treallyrockatall: "what are you meaning to say when you mention 'the sexualisation of young girls'?"

First of all, I mentioned "young women", not "young girls", and secondly, I was referring to the accusation of misogyny in my writing.

"Be specific, don't just throw around chliches -- i'm not sure i understand your concern... particularly as a HEDONistic (I know what my istics mean!) rock n roll sex n drugger, n'est ce pas?"

You are making absolutely no sense.; 10:08 AM
UnaDoesn'tRockAtAll said...: How am I not making sense, I'll try to walk you through it real slow:
1. you are a ROCKER!
2. you seem to enjoy soft drugs/ the company of people who enjoy above,
3. you listen to and associate with a lot of people whose lifestyle might involve some partying, possibly some sex, drugs, rock n roll, and so on.

I asked what you meant by the sexualisation of young women (ok, not girls... whatever). Please explain what you mean by that phrase... what is this sexualisation, how is it happening, who is doing it, and so on...

In other words, back up your point dude. You make absolutely no sense whatsoever as it is ;-); 5:52 PM
UnaRocks said...: "I asked what you meant by the sexualisation of young women (ok, not girls... whatever). Please explain what you mean by that phrase... what is this sexualisation, how is it happening, who is doing it, and so on..."

that would take more than a blog comment to detail.

I have written a good bit about it though. Some articles are on the blog:

Here is one from July '06 about 'the rise of raunch':
http://unarocks.blogspot.com/2006/07/fcps.html

Here is one from March last year about the sexualisation of Britney Spears as a teenager:
http://unarocks.blogspot.com/2007/03/when-walls-came-closing-in-on-britney.html; 6:02 PM
Anonymous said...: "that would take more than a blog comment to detail."

or two articles apparently.

my point is pretty clear, but I'll clarify further.

you talk about the sexualisation of women yet your articles show a distinct disdain for these women, as evidenced by phrases like "generation knickerless".

that disdain and right wing journalism in general is always part of the problem, even if it gets you on the late late.

is it just young women who are behaving badly like this? is it just young people?

what alternative models has Ireland produced for young peoples behaviour? the Catholic Church dominated state? Is that favourable?

What way of controlling the natural desire of young people to emulate adults at earlier and earlier ages would you suggest? Apart from just flinging your hands in the air and ranting with a few clucking bitchy comments about girls who go to Wesley.

And it is pretty funny how your own behaviour seems in the same league as those you criticise, at least as regards drinking/socialising.

There's nothing wrong with that (unless you're reading one of your articles in which you conveniently ignore your own habits) but you'd think you'd then try and defend your generation and a way of life you yourself practice, rather than leaping on the easiest laziest bandwagon instead, and writing articles that sound like something off of brasseye.

It'd take a lot more guts and effort though, so why bothersies; 9:55 PM
UnaRocks said...: "you'd think you'd then try and defend your generation and a way of life you yourself practice"

I have no interest in defending 'my generation', I don't seem myself part of or affiliated with any demographic through anything other than the coincidence of age, I don't particularly practice any 'way of life', I'm not a spokesperson for anything or anyone other than myself.

You are missing my point if you think I'm writing 'like something off of brasseye', the rejection of the sexualised culture of women is a feminist standpoint, not a misogynist one.

'What way of controlling the natural desire of young people to emulate adults at earlier and earlier ages would you suggest?', I have no answers to this, I'm not a policy maker, a psychologist or an anthropologist, but as I write a good bit about popular culture, I see no harm in commenting on that and drawing from my own opinions and thoughts.

If you think I have nothing of any value to suggest or add to such a forum, then why are you bothering to criticise my methods, especially as you clearly don't understand them?; 10:11 AM
UnaDoesn'tRockAtAll said...: Thank you for the links. I have yet to read the Britney piece, but I've read the raunch piece with great interest. I think that you sounded like nothing so much as an owl wan tut tutting about the yoof of today. I'd like to make a couple of points:

1. This is not new. Just because you weren't involved in it doesn't mean it wasn't going on way back when, cos it was. (Way back when being the 90's, rolls eyes, as if we're so wise now).

2. Times change. The reason people couldn't dress like this before - had they wanted to - is because a priest would most likely have had them committed. Now, people have a CHOICE to dress as they like. If people dress like idiots, that is their problem. No point getting your Bridget Jones knickers in a twist over it.

3. People like sex. For years, we've been kept from it, and now, maybe we're going a bit nuts. So what? I always find that in these type of debates (see also porn and prostitution), it tends to be people who are not that sexually engaged, or who plain don't like sex in the first place who are doing the complaining. It's nothing more than trying to foist your morals on other people.

All in all, I have to agree with the other dude who posted that this stuff is reminiscent of the Daily Mail. It really reads like a parody, sorry to say. Brasseye indeed!; 1:44 PM
meg said...: Tara: Maybe you shouldn't have watched it all then. Just a helpful suggestion.

Other stuff: Una is right that you people are making very little sense, in the rich tradition of people who comment on blogs. I have no opinion on Una's writing on the sexualisation of woung women, having not read anything she has written on the subject. But taking soft drugs has possibly the least to do witht hat subject ever. Evereverever.
And she was perfectly right to point out that women involved in music are ridiculously susceptible to critical opinion about their appearances. I can barely remember the last time I read a review by a mainstream music magazine of a gig by a female artist that didn't include comments about their appearance as though it was a valid part of the review.; 7:26 PM
meg said...: "Una Doesn't Rock At All"-
Your points have been consistently weak and increadingly ridiculous.

First you seemed to claim that because Una-according to you- "associates with a lot of people whose lifestyle might involve some partying, possibly some sex..." is not entitled to comment on the premature sexualisation of young people/women. You seemed to be saying that because she hangs out with people WHO HAVE SEX she can't talk about this issue.
What an utterly idiotic thing to write.

Secondly, you now say that people involved in debates about "porn. prostitution, etc." seem to have a lack of sexual engagement/enjoyment of sex. This is the most vacuous and ill-thought out comment I have heard in a very long time. Are you saying that if someone objects to the exploitation/ trade/ objectififcation of women, they are necessarily sexless bores?
An enjoyment of sex as a healthy and natural and very fun part of life is completely separate to intellectual and moral objections to either porn or prostitiution.
I consider myself to be a feminist, and object to porn on the grounds that
often, though not exclusively, it exploits the ambitions and vulnerability of young women, who are often led to believe that what they are doing is in some imaginary post-feminist world, empowering. Modern porn is particularly grotesque in the level of sadism it exhibits toward women. The females who say that their work in the business has been nothing but financially rewarding are not enough to make up for the thousands who have been abused.

Similarly, with prostitution, pathetic and dishonest progammes like "Belle de Jour" which glamourise prostitution represent the experiences of a very rare few, and overshadow the vast amount of women who are eaten alive by this industry. I agree completely with proposed legislature to criminalise the men who buy sex, feeding the machine, rather than the women who make up its victims, often forced to do so from poverty or abuse.

Now, who are you to make the sweeping statement that those who are concerned with these issues are people who "plain don't like sex"?; 6:47 PM
UnaRocks said...: "I always find that in these type of debates (see also porn and prostitution), it tends to be people who are not that sexually engaged, or who plain don't like sex in the first place who are doing the complaining."

dude, you are either crazy, or stupid, or both.; 8:02 PM
Anonymous said...: you really don't deal with criticism well do you?

who is responsible for this sexualisation? and if you can't suggest a solution or remedy to it, not even one, then what is the purpose of the article?

just to wring your hands and say "oh no the kids are being sexualised", by forces you can't even identify?

it's not feminist just because you say it is. the article showed, in my opinion, a disdain for the people you were discussing, and not a jot of compassion or concern.

if you felt seriously about this then surely you'd approach it in a constructive way rather than a destructive one.

eg is labelling young people "generation knickerless" not just as damaging to their self esteem as this "sexualisation" you talk about?

would you feel insulted if labelled with that term? I know I would. Hence, how does insulting people supposedly help this problem?

Or why do you use insulting language? Because it sells papers and you enjoy being sardonic and sounding intelligent?

As for your own activities you said

"I have no interest in defending 'my generation', I don't seem myself part of or affiliated with any demographic through anything other than the coincidence of age, I don't particularly practice any 'way of life', I'm not a spokesperson for anything or anyone other than myself."

So what you're basically saying is you write one thing and do another, and you don't care to defend that. That's fine, but once you've admitted it.

Sadly you aren't a spokesperson for yourself, since when you pick up a pen to write for the paper you decide you'd better act like somebody who'd spit with outrage if they had to read one of your own blog posts.

"If you think I have nothing of any value to suggest or add to such a forum, then why are you bothering to criticise my methods, especially as you clearly don't understand them?"

It's precisely because I think that that I do comment. You don't practice what you preach from one public forum (the paper/tv) to another (your blog), it's pretty simple and doesn't require any understanding.; 9:18 PM
Una Doesn't Rock And Neither Does Meg said...: Now, now children. Calm yourselves. You'll make poor Una miss her plane! I will try to do a better job of addressing your points than Una did. She has instead sent her Mini-Me Ms. Eminem to do her bidding, preferring to utterly ignore all of my criticism.

Anyway, since Meg seems to be a little slow, I will attempt to explain my argument. I was NOT saying that "because she hangs out with people WHO HAVE SEX she can't talk about this issue." That would be indeed idiotic. I said that, because she hangs out with the sort of people who aspire to a life of hedonism, and because she is a child of the sex n drugs n rock n roll fraternity, she ought not be so anti-sex.

See, my point is that it's all totally subjective. Meg doesn't like pornography. She finds it offensive. Great. I find obscene language very offensive. I was very offended by your music. My offence is just as important as yours, so should I take to writing opinion pieces about how You'reOnlyMassive are responsible for the potty mouths of today's youth?

You ask me "who are you to make the sweeping statement that those who are concerned with these issues are people who "plain don't like sex"", ironically after you have just finished making a series of ridiculously, hackneyed statements about what you term the objectification of women, and which you roll together into one giant, woman-oppressing evil sex machine. What you fail to take account of is that men and women are almost equal consumers of porn these days, and in reality, the term 'modern porn' is as general and meaningless as the term 'modern music'. There's all sorts of porn - there's even lesbian porn made by lesbians for lesbians, as well as user-generated porn, which is growing more popular... anything wrong with those types of 'modern porn' I wonder? Do you object to sex on screen in principle, or are you concerned with worker protection issues?

Also, note to self: the criminalisation of johns thing is a British proposal, so suspend your delight for it's not happening here yet.

Besides, Una wasn't objecting against porn or prostitution or anything like it. She was, when you boil it right down, objecting against the under-dressing of young women. And, most annoningly, pretending like this junior slut stuff hasn't been going on for the last 1,000 years. It's nearly as embarassing as your rapping, Meg dear.; 11:49 PM
Finbarrticus said...: Crikey, how did a blog about a band turn into a nasty critique of the blogger?

Mind you, I'd love to throw my own opinions in...

1. I wouldn't state on a blog that anyone can read that a girl wasn't pretty, though as a fella I may or may not think it... it just aint nice dude. You gotta respect the girls CW. That said, you do a fine line in funny comments and witty reparte.

2. Female band members get commented on in relation to their looks because pretty women are just so damn lovely to look at and, though I'm no scientist, that's just a fact. Everyone, both men and women, notices a pretty girl. Mmmmm, pretty ladies.

3. I though both girls in the video were cute. But dudettes, what's the craic with gratuitously cursing in a public show? I gotta say, aside from just not being nice, it smacks of trying to make otherwise poor lyrics sound memorable. You gotta respect your craft and not turn yourself into a musical version of that fat guy who writes in the Irish Independent, Ian O'something.

4. Una's articles on the feminisation of young women weren't misogynistic. In fairness though, they weren't exactly cutting edge... it's all been done by Irish newspapers and on telly before and, sorry Una... done better too. However, I know it isn't always fair to blame the writer... Una's paper has gone so far downhill (Sunday Independent meets Evening Herald meets UCD Observer) that what appears in print is often a reflection of what someone else more senior in the paper wanted to be written. As the old Times of London Boer War correspondent AJ Kirk said in his memoirs, when explaining why he credited the British with victory at Mafeking when in fact the Boers won: "half the success of being an employable correspondent is knowing what's happening but the half that keeps you employed is knowning what it is your editor wants in his paper".

5. As far as I can see, using soft drugs or indeed any illicit drugs is not associated with the sexualisation or adolescents or early teens. However, it is very closely associated with the entirely misogynistic sex industry. Intepol say that most organised crime gangs are involved in a range of criminal enterprises. Trafficking in women (often by force, through the threat of sexual assault and rape, for work in the sex industry) and drug trafficking are the two most common in which european gangs engage simultanously. It isn't the case that some fat sleazy Albanians are smuggling frightened women around continental europe while some nice free-spirited Dutch lads are letting the world enjoy the buzz of weed and charley.

6. Who would set up a username like UnaDoesn'tRock? That's just rude dude. And fair play for not blocking their less than nice comments Una.

7. And finally, if that band made a profit, I'm going to stop beating my dog when he barks and instead bring him down to the venue they played in. I'll make a fortune.; 7:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Quote: Sadly you aren't a spokesperson for yourself, since when you pick up a pen to write for the paper you decide you'd better act like somebody who'd spit with outrage if they had to read one of your own blog posts.

SAD BUT TRUE. Do you have two personalities, Una?; 11:25 AM
Anonymous said...: is there anyone who defends una on these threads who has more than three brain cells to rub together? (or failing that isn't some creepy guy); 12:59 AM
cw said...: Finbarrticus, I never said that anyone wasn't pretty.

All I said was that I liked the look of the one on the right more than the one on the right.

Not that there's anything wrong with the one on the left now, far from it.

Is that okay, you ugly prick? :); 10:00 AM
Maebh Cheasty said...: Hello there.
Finbarrticus: Regarding the cursing in the song, I really thought long and hard about this while writing the song and here are two of the reasons while the "f" words are in Epidemic.
*This is a song about Waterford, small town-ness, the people who get you and your friends down and the strength you draw from each other. So the following lines are not what I personally think, but the kind of sneering words that are all too common in little worlds. If you don't like them, that's fine, but they exist in the world that I live in and that's what I write about.
I believe literary theorists call it multi-voiced perspective or some such guff.
"Fkn whats the deal with him?
Fkn look at the state of him.
Fkn shut that mouth on him.
Fkn throw that book at him.
Fkn does it sloppily
No girlfriend well not properly
On his parent's property
When's he going to buy some property?"

*I like the contrast between the harshness and defensiveness of cursing (fk 'em) and the straight away afterwards ballad softness of the words "We need you here", etc.

I wish I knew who this guy who writes for the Irish Independent, but i'm afraid I don't.
Also, if you're going to refrain from calling me ugly, isn't it a bit mean to call him the fat guy? MEN HAVE FEELINGS TOO.

"Una doesn't really rock and neither does Meg" - I'm sorry but this is the most h.i.l.a.r.i.o.u.s. blog name I have ever heard.
Have you ever heard of logorreah?
Maybe you should take some time to form your thoughts into an argument, there might be some sense buried deep but it's certainly not there now. Right now it's just an incoherent babble. Just a friendly tip.

Have a great week, y'all!
Maebh; 7:25 PM
Tara said...: I would like to make something very clear to 'MEG' i watched the whole vid because i didnt think it could get any worse.Irish people CANT rap. FACT. Give it up and do something useful with your life.; 10:44 PM
Meg Really Doesn't Rock - And Nor Can She Rap said...: Meg says in defence of her OTT use of swear words: "If you don't like them, that's fine, but they exist in the world that I live in"

Dude. Ditto sex. Argument. Over. You may all go home.; 2:15 PM
meg said...: "Una doesn't rock and neither does Meg"-
How is the phrase "modern porn"-or for that matter "modern music"-meanigless?
It does what it says on the tin-porn which has been made of late.
What I meant by it was-most people access porn on the interwebs nowadays. And because of the accesibility, just seeing sex happening on screen doesn't thrill people as much as it used to-it seems to me that the more bored and listless people get with more traditional sex, the more interested some of them become in seeing more extreme things-some of which are just ludicrous and laughable, but many of which are horribly sadistic, largely if not exclusively toward women.
I am definitely not against the representation of sex on screen or censorship. I was simply saying that it's a very unfortunate and inescapable byproduct of the sex industry that women, and attitudes toward women, continue to be hurt by certain aspects of it.

GAWD I hate how people get so intense in these internet beefs. All the bile they can't release in real life comes spilling out.

As regards "You're Only Massive"-our tiny speck of popularity can hardly be blamed for the potty mouths of today's yoof.
And also- I genuinely don't care if people don't like it, and I don't mean that in a rude way. It's just a wee bit of fun. We didn't post the video here, and nobody had to watch it.
It's a fun and rewarding thing which I choose to do with my time, amongst a lot of other things.; 2:11 PM
cw said...: "Ditto sex."

A truly disgusting thought.; 2:25 PM
meg said...: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
I hate this, it's so frustrating. How do people do this all the time, it must make them go crazy.

MAEBH said that, not me. There are two of us. Me:Megan. Not me:Maebh.

and for the last time,hopefully, I didn't say anything about sex itself. I was talking about the sex industry.

Thanks for the namechange, I like it, it's making me feel like I'm Kate Nash or someone similar that people on the internet like to hate.
In fact it's making me so bigheaded that it makes me want to to go and rap forever and record a million songs just so I can blast them into everyone's house and torment you all for the rest of eternity with my lack of talent.; 2:32 PM
meg said...: oh, also, above there I meant to say " I am not against the representation of sex on screen or FOR censorship"...
I am definitely not for censorship; 2:34 PM
Aidan said...: @ Tara..
Irish people CANT rap.

That's a load a borrox anyway..
Plenty good rap in ireland.
www.myspace.com/armtheelderly

Oh wait a sec.. You said FACT after that.. Must be true so.. Sheeesh!; 3:19 PM
cw said...: I agree with Aidan.

As would anyone who has heard the sick rhymings of Samantha Mumba's little brother.

That shit is fuckin' ill, son.; 3:26 PM
meg said...: Aidan is right..forget about us,look at http://myspace.com/urbanintelligence.

It truly is off the hook.

I like this conversation better than the other one.It's less angry; 4:23 PM
UnaRocks said...: "I like this conversation better than the other one.It's less angry"

I think you may have just jinxed it Meg!; 4:27 PM
Meg Doesn't Rock - Nor Does Maebh for that matter said...: Ahem. Arguing with children can be quite irritating. Nevertheless, I'd like to at least explain what I'm saying - y'know, AGAIN. Try to listen this time...

Meg said: "How is the phrase "modern porn"-or for that matter "modern music"-meanigless?
It does what it says on the tin-porn which has been made of late."

This is an annoying question because it was answered by me earlier, when I made this point. The point - again - is that there is SO MUCH porn in the world, so very very very much porn in the world, 'made of late' as you say, that the phrase 'modern porn' (by which I understand you are meaning a fairly narrow band of US pornography, which might be fairly accused of the sort of exploitation you allege.) But no more than the music industry in that country for example, and probably much less (how do you feel about 'modern' rap?)

That's a tiny corner of the porn world. Presumably, to judge from your comments, you have no problem with the rest of the porn which a sizeable section of the rest of the western world (sometimes secretely) enjoys. You say sex is natural and fun... well then, so is porn, since it's just sex -- on screen.

Which leads us on to...

Meg said "I am definitely not for censorship"

You are either for censorship or you are against it; you can't choose which speech you think should be free. If the sex is consenting, regardless of your opinion of the acts themselves, it's not against the law, so the only grounds on which you could argue against it would be from a censorship standpoint, because - as you said about your music - you don't have to watch it/ listen to it.

As you said "We didn't post the video here, and nobody had to watch it." Likewise, I'm not posting The Porn Prince of Persia for your perusal so how's about a little live and let live - and a little letting up on the very teenage black n white angry white kid view of the world. Try to think thoughts which haven't been thought for you by sex-hating writers.; 4:15 PM
confused said...: Man, I used to be with "it".

Now they've changed what "it" is, and what I'm with isn't "it" anymore, and what is "it" is weird and scary to me.

I really don't get this this. The Den school visit seems about right...; 10:18 PM
cw said...: "The Porn Prince Of Persia"

Is it any good?; 5:24 PM
I and I Alone Rock said...: cw said...
"The Porn Prince Of Persia"

Is it any good?

Neh, if costumes are your thing, you'll have a hoot! I'm more into DVDA myself.

Confused, they have indeed changed what 'it' is. It isn't The Simpsons any more. Quoting the Simpsons is about as with 'it' as quoting Monthy Python these days.

What's with the Den reference btw>?; 2:54 PM
meg said...: and surely quoting Monty Python must have come around to being cool again by now?; 7:54 PM
meg said...: my absolute LAST word on this whole troublesome and tiring argument (I promise):
Just would like to point out that what I said was that I object to the kind of sadistic porn I was talking about. Never said anything about wishing for it to be removed from the world.

Also, it is quite humbling to be called childish by a person who changes their screen name to insult their target of choice. QUITE humbling.

CW- you were the one who brought up the Den, remember? Though to be honest I'm not sure I understand it.; 7:53 PM
I Alone Rock said...: Such a pity that your LAST word on the matter contradicts your FIRST word on the topic

"I consider myself to be a feminist, and object to porn on the grounds that (etc)
and
"Modern porn is particularly grotesque in the level of sadism it exhibits toward women."

Notice how you actually DIDN'T say that you were only talking about a small amount of porn which you appear to know nothing about.

You said you found modern porn grotesque. Now you concede that you only find a small amount of it (that you've never seen, incidentally) grotesque.

I'm pretty sure that means I win.

Thank you all, and good night.; 3:22 PM
meg said...: I wasn't trying to say that I only object to a small part of it. I was trying to clarify the fact that I never said I wanted it to be censored.
I still hold with my original point that as porn has become more accesible it has generally become more extreme and sadisitic and that I object to it.

That's all. I don't want to win. i just wish for a nice cup of tea and never to come onto this blog again, both of which will be granted to me.; 6:02 PM
deathoncredit said...: Great attitude from Youre Only Massive though pretty dodgy video; 8:42 PM